When you go through the Internet sales department, the dealership already knows that you know certain things. They know you're a savvy shopper, that you're looking around, and that you're comparing prices. The Internet salesman will start at a much lower price than the salesman on the lot. In short — don't walk onto the lot unless you're going in to meet the salesman you've been dealing with online. You can negotiate way better terms in advance, with a credit union or another financial institution.
Don't leave it up to the dealership; get this all pre-approved before you walk in. So you get caught up in the financial meltdown and agree to pay for a lot of extras, including the extended warranty, tire protection, and so on. Well, you are not stuck with them. You can cancel within 30 days and get your money back. You can also use this to your advantage. Agree to the service contracts if you get money taken off the price of the car. The dealership makes way more from the service plans than the car anyway, so they'll be happy to make the deal.
When you cancel, you're in the money. There were many more tips in the reddit. And remember, these all came from people who make a living selling cars. This is straight from the source, and well worth remembering. Disclaimer: The links and mentions on this site may be affiliate links. But they do not affect the actual opinions and recommendations of the authors.
Wise Bread is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon. It's a shame that you have to be middle-aged before you get to be an expert on buying cars. Salesmen don't mess with me anywhere near as much as they did years ago, and I'm sure it has more to do with the lines on my face and general lack of hair on top of my head more than a general reform of automobile sales practices.
Meanwhile, this should be required reading for anyone under, uh, 40 who is about to go through the ordeal of buying a new car. In particular, I usually do 2 before setting forth. I found a really good deal on my current car that way and brought printouts just in case. We have a special way of dealing with 3. Do all your conferencing in some language other than English. German works for us, and my German is sufficiently bad and my wife's English sufficiently flawless to give the salesman the clear impression that we're not doing it because we just came off the boat yesterday.
The best way to avoid situation 4 and 9 is to only bring in trades that are barely running. As for 5, 7, 14, imagine you're two years old. What's the easiest word that comes out of your mouth other than "mine"? It's "no. I usually say, "I just want the car. That's it. Note this also applies to tires and large appliances. The credit union is right next door to the car dealers. First I get my loan pre-approved, then I go shopping. That also takes care of 8, 11, and Back in the day any salesperson did not care quite at all if the customer was satisfied, they just box pushed the easiest purchase and torqued the customer until they bought.
This is not the case now a days, if any dealer is worth your time and money they will listen to what you are asking for, be fair about things and take of you like family. Anyone who tells you, you are getting "screwed on your trade" is purely not true.
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The vehicle may have dings and dents, that the client has forgotten about. Or it has rust or mechanical trouble or other problems. Cars are depreciating assets and every day they are on the road they lose their value. No vehicle will appreciate unless you are driving something vintage. If you drive a common sedan you will get common money for it, it is that simple. There is not much money in a vehicle. We charge a certain price for our products because we install them professionally, the fact the author of this article wrote that "VIN Etching" can be done at home makes me cringe because a certified technician from for example "Sherlock" has to do it.
We do things a certain way because that is how the manufacturer requests it to be done and if for example ruin something on the car doing an installation of something, we have to pay to fix it. We also guarantee every product we sell you, there is the value in having it done through us. If the salesperson is being transparent with you, don't think they are playing you. Most salespeople these days are transparent, like myself. Integrity and honesty are the name of the game, if you don't take pride in what you do no one will come back to buy from you again and there you go, short term sales long term nothing.
As for warranties being for "suckers" yeah that can't be farther from the truth. That is like saying insurance is for suckers. Down the line after the manufacturer warranty has run out you will thanking your lucky stars for the extended warranty. I see many clients that come and say the reason they want a new car is because they DONE putting money on repairs. The extended warranty may seem like a lot up front, but in the long run when the car lasts you eight years being fully warrantied and you not having to drop a cent on maintenance but brakes, tires and windshield wiper blades, your pocket will be happy and you will be much happier.
You can stretch the longevity of your vehicles life with a single warranty. Drive the car longer, get better bang for your buck and spend less money in long term. As for the "four square" the reason why we use it is because the majority of people who sit down with their significant other or their friend use this method. It allows us to show different options of purchase or lease.
We do not manipulate the figures, legitimate salespeople are in this for the long-run. Manipulating a client only creates negative feelings towards the salesperson and the dealership. This again does not create return clients which is how we make our money.
If you give a good service and make the client understand what we are talking about and both parties feel good about the transaction then we did our job. It's all about the clients, no happy clients, not a very productive and long career. As for us "playing with your head" and asking random questions about the value and options on a car. We do not know until the car is evaluated. We ask you these questions to make the evaluators life easier so we can get the evaluation done promptly so you do not have the spend hours in the dealership.
Your time is valuable and we take that seriously. Also if we do not investigate your wants and needs properly you probably won't be interested in the vehicle that we will show you. By asking for your vehicle options, we can get a basis as to what you are used to driving and we can then discuss if you would like something equally equipped, less equiped or more equipped. We don't play with our client's heads, that just leads no where. If you are paying invoice there is a reason for it.
Cars in high demand will not be sold for a deal, it's like a Tesla, they do not negotiate. If the salesmen asks you early on how much you want to put down, they are not interested in finding a vehicle that will build value for you. They just want to go straight ahead to payment so they do not have to actually do their job. The dealer has to be able to come up with the reason why the payment is that high. The dealer can't just put the monthly whatever they want and expect the client to just pay it. That is not good business practice and here in Canada actually incredibly illegal.
If you buy accesories of course your price will cost more, otherwise its the taxes, borrowing cost, msrp, dealer fees for vehicle preparation and any applicable rebates that create your monthly payment. At my dealership, if a car is hail damaged we don't even try to sell it In fact we don't get reimbursed because every vehicle has a certain deductible and if the insurance pays for the damages we are obliged to fix it.
Then just increases with every claim so it is not intelligent to do it that way. Most dealers actually take a massive hit for a damaged vehicle because they usually get sold at auction for a much much cheaper price and the dealer loses loads of money. You do not get the best deal from the internet salesmen.
Low price maybe, but value no definitely not. The internet salesmen usually does not qualify the client. He does not assess their needs. If for example you tow on a daily basis because you are in landscaping LBS. Currently you are looking at a light duty pick up truck, and the internet salesperson does not know this. You agree on price, meet up and buy the truck and then you realize that you miscalculated the amount the truck which now is LBS.
This might not seem like much, but down the line you will hurt the truck and then have to either buy a new one, strengthen it or keep fixing it. A true salesmen has his customer's best intentions at heart. Be wary of those who only talk price those ones are the true sharks in the water because they actually do not care about you.
Non-factory aftermarket parts are not added unless the customer asks for them. No one these days does that unless they want to get stuck with a modified vehicle. Not one dealer where I am from modifies any vehicle unless it is pickup trucks and that does not happen that often either. Modifications occur only if the client asks for it. Getting your own financing can be a good idea if the interest rates are higher than normal. Getting a line of credit for example will get you an interest rate of around 2.
If you buy a vehicle that is above 2. Reason being: dealers deal in volume, so they have the best ways to negotiate with the banks for the best interest rates out there. You can cancel the contract, but all of my clients don't because I actually take care of them. If a salesperson is honest with you their is no reason to cancel, it has to make sense for all parties and that's why I am doing well where I am. We are not the scum of the earth trying to squeeze every dollar our of clients. We are honest individuals trying to make a living, just like you.
Cut us some slack and I promise that you will get a good deal and above all the right vehicle to fit what your wants and needs are. Listen intently and let the salesperson go through the motions with you. They do this because they care and want to make sure that the vehicle you end up driving will serve you well for the years to come.
In Oregon it is state law that if you as the customer can provide a salesman with physical proof of a set sales price, so an advertised price on say a website or newspaper. The salesman is required to sell at that set price and cannot heckle you for a higher rate. Same issue at a Long Island Dealership. Are they allowed to leave Sticker on car in and if you make Genuine offer can they say "it is being offered at 10K over sticker". It's because of postings like this that people get screwed every single day. Dealers don't get extra cash if they hit a certain number.
I worked in Dealerships that sell cars per month. Trade values, if you go to KBB and price out your car times it will come back with the exact same number times however its safe to say that not every car is in the same condition. Also the market changes on some of these cars daily. Yes there is many dealerships that play games and take advantage of people but that isn't the majority. I'm yet to come across any sites that actually understand the car business and give consumers the right advise. Let me start by just being nice and if the people at the dealership are nice back to you just leave and take your business somewhere where they will value you and appreciate you.
But for starters stopping reading posts like this because this is just someone that has probably never worked in a dealership and he or she did they are the dirtbags that they are complaining about. I completely agree that your smartphone can be your most powerful weapon in negotiation. I remember buying a dishwasher and getting a discount because I pulled out my smartphone and found the appliance online for less. This article does not apply to any legit, honest car dealer. Most big dealerships hire and train people that know nothing about the car business, therefore they are trained to make the most profit and not to educate and help the customer.
Btw four square is for suckers the movie. Any dealership using four square should not be in business. Please dont make all dealers look bad with one article. Bought my first and last new car in - last because I'm still driving it. But my husband will NOT buy a car or truck without the extended warranty.
Last time I went looking for a car while my husband was very ill. Darn salesperson wouldn't even talk to me because I was there without my husband. Gave him and his manager, and later the owner an earful on that. Why go through this mess? They have much more sales experience than you do.
You can't win this fight. I and my cheapskate relatives have found the BEST way to buy a car cheap. You,first,figure out what car you want. Then you watch the ads in the newspaper for the loss leader,one only, deals. You get to the dealer early and buy that car. You may not get the exact color or features,but you get a great deal,without all the hassles. You don't do finance,pay cash. You don't trade in a vehicle,sell it elsewhere. You don't buy any extras or warranties. You keep it real simple and no opportunity for the dealer to add anything.
I am reading this, and the one thing that keep popping into my head is that "some it is true, but it make the client its own worst emeny. However, as an example with tades, the article states "Dealers use something called the National Automobile Dealers Association NADA database, which gives them a much more realistic idea of what they can get for your trade.
Yes there are some Dealerships that still use that. However a auction price is a real figure for a trade in and most people who use the internet researching their trade-in knows that. I have a huge issue with this. For some dealerships, this is the only way they make money. Somethines depending how the dealership is set up, they lose money depending on the salesperson commission.
This trains people to start from invoice minus holdback. This article is telling people that us, as salespeople can make a living and we work for free and I do not like that! If i offer this to dealers, 1 will bite. I could care less about the dealer's well being. Any TruePro-fessional car sales person has no fear from any of these. Garbage that perpetuates a false stereotype. I am a car dealer. My name is Jared and I'm 22 years old. I am the youngest dealer currently in the state and have been for 4 years now. I don't want to give the wrong impression, I had much help from my father.
He himself started his own dealership at 21, and did very well for himself. He would tell me stories of the 70's and 80's and how car sales were so different back then. From what it sounds like, car salesmen back then were pretty much exactly how you discribe them in this article. Times have changed my friends. As stated so kindly above, we have smartphones, computers, online local listings for "private party" ads that can be filtered instead of thumbing the newspaper. We have technology folks, and let me tell you the secret to finding a "good" car salesmen. The reason I have made it and am growing in these last 4 years is plainly that; honesty.
I embrace the fact everyone has access to this information! Makes it easy on me. At the auction when I'm buying cars and have a mobile app that scans the vins barcode, instantly showing me kkb, nada, and wholesale value. Not to mention carfax and other history reports on the vechicle. I know exactly what I should pay for something while the "I have been doing this since before you were born" are still thumbing their Kelly blue books. PS- side note, all that bollochs about dealers using some sercret booking system for trades call "nada" is totally ridiculous. That's available to everyone and gives even less value than kkb.
If there's a secret "book" it's called "black book" but even so the values of cars change literally every week so it's honestly pointless. What I do for my customers, walk out with them scan the vin and see REAL numbers, auction valves from the previous week. But be realistic, if your car is junk then don't think it's worth high book. I'll wrap this up. How have I made it work and am the go to dealer locally. You all are so wired and scared you are being ripped off by reading and hearing thing of this sort you refuse to use your brain and make your own damn decision what the car is worth to you!
For example You come back from a test drive and you want the car. The salesmen comes out and says how'd it drive? And you know this is a good deal because you did your research and the car books at 28, clean retail. You haggle him again, "we'll ill buy it for 20," the salesmen replies, 22, is the best deal I can do?
I paid 20 for it You leave because he wouldn't come down again.
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He sells the car to the next customer. Later that day from a new car store you are push into a car you didn't want, and you payed to much for. It sounded like a better deal because he lowered the price a whopping 8 times! Holy cow what a steal. Wake up and be smart. If you want to be treated with respect then show some! If a salesmen tells you the bottom dollar and it is reasonably under the book value I promise he doesn't have anywhere else to go!
It's the people like that who make sales mind games. Just be honest and be smart. If its a good deal to YOU then it is. That's not the case sometimes.
I bought my first car at 20 and I was totally ripped off. The car had a terrible rust issue with the undercarriage and the salesman knew it. He asked my budget I told him and he told me he was giving me a deal. No haggling. No arguing. No anything. A few months later the rust starts to cause problems in the car. I get it looked at by someone else and they're horrified that it was even sold because it was badly rusted. I go back and he won't do anything. I was driving a death trap that could have fallen apart at any moment on the highway and that salesman didn't care about my life at all.
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Forget selling a car with a bad engine which is crappy ; the frame of the car was rusted and could've fallen apart while I was driving it. By the time I finally got around to getting the highest price from a junkyard, parts of the car were literally hanging from that bottom, just waiting to fall. All of this happened in months. So, you many be a good salesman and your dealership may be decent, but you have to respect the bad experiences that some of us have had with the people in your position. So, if we ever cross paths I will question everything you say.
I will ask you the same questions times repetitively to see if you give the same answer each time. I will question your knowledge. I will question your pricing. I will question the "deal". I will bring knowledge and an expert with me and compare it to your knowledge. Don't take it personally. I just don't trust car salesmen. You make salesmen sound vile and heart less. If you knew anything about the industry or the job role, I bet you would retract everything you said.
I went into Nielo after confirming on the phone a car I wanted was available. Salesman said it was on the lot. He was gone when I got there, but had another intercept me. Marched me around the lot looking for it- couldn't find it. Went inside and checked the computer- not there! Then they tried to sell me something else. I'll curse salesmen for the rest of my life. I don't envy you. You have your work cut out for you! I am 20 years old and have been selling cars since I was 17 started young and I am the youngest sales man in NY but I have learned a lot and if things were this way the article describes car sales man than consumers have nothing to worry about because this car sales man there talking about did not make it in the business It's funny how a good majority of these comments come from "car salesman" themselves.
The simple fact that negotiating is even necessary to buy a car should let you know that must tread carefully. I don't negotiate for a loaf of bread or a can of soup. But buying a new car is completely different In all fairness, you are trying to make a living. I get that and most people do. The problem isn't your trade, but the shady practices that surround it.
Many of you say the sales tactics listed on this site are antiquated. Well I beg to differ because "every time" I purchase a car, I go through the same shenanigans but from different dealerships and sales personnel. It's almost and nothing has changed. Your job is to separate a "mark" from his money. Your concern isn't a happy customer, but putting food on your table.
If you have a pleased customer, then that's just icing on the cake, but it's not your prerogative, nor should it be. I don't do my job to please my boss or my customers. I do my job for the same reason you do yours..
The difference between my job and a salesman is that I'm not lying to people in an effort to line my pockets. This isn't to say that other jobs are above your own. Everyone cuts corners from time to time, milks the clock, etc. More often than not, you'll probably never see the customer again. Myself and almost everyone I know has never seen the salesperson again unless they randomly saw them in the streets or were a repeat customer. People don't buy cars to forge relationships with salesman.
I think the tips listed here can save uninformed car buyers some real stress if they heed the advice. It's funny how you say you don't go to the grocery store and try to negotiate for a can of soup. You don't have to do so at a dealership, either. Just walk up to the car and pay what's on the sticker. You don't walk into a grocery store and tell them you're not paying full retail for that can of soup, are you? You wait for them to put it on sale and then get it later, which is what car dealers do.
Try asking the store manager to see their invoice cost on soup. So the next time you're out car shopping and don't want to haggle or go through games, just walk in, pick out a car and pay whatever the sticker says. Just like grocery shopping. To be honest I don't care about any opinion. None of this is a fact. People are different. Salesmen are as well. You want to feel as if you didn't get taken. Education is key right? I wouldn't buy something I didn't like. I don't force my customers to purchase any. We simply ask!
Those old days of shady scams are over. If you paid to much it's your fault. Use the Internet for pricing. I have plenty of customers that I speak with weeklyx monthly and have bought multiple cars from me. Believe what you want. I don't lie to them nor do I have a reason to here. Don't bash salesman because of your mistakes. No business is going to lose money.. The "Old days" of "shady scams" are over? Why were they ever around to begin with? Education is key? I don't trust you, I won't trust you, and I will try to lowball every one of you scumbags until this system is replaced entirely and you can go out and get real jobs that promote prosperity in this country instead of leeching off others with your forked tongues.
The vitriol I have for car salesmen is unmatched by anyone other than lazy bottom feeding system-abusers. These are things we don't want consumers to know?
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Who wrote this tripe? Carfax is the best friend of the consumer? Carfax is useless, Autocheck is the most accurate tool that a consumer can use. The best tool a consumer can use, honesty. Don't lie to the salesman, whether it's about your trade, your credit or anything else. I've been in this industry for over 30 years, from service, to the sales floor to management. In all that time I never lied to a client, and the majority of sales staff I worked with never did either. To paint us all with the same broad brush is unfair and perpetuates a stereotype that is for the most part not accurate.
The best "tool" that a buyer has is the word no. Don't be afraid to say no if you don't like the terms of the deal, explain what you don't like and you will find in the vast majority of cases that the dealer will be amicable to your request. Reasonable Doc fees are a legitimate cost, so don't be put off by them. Most of these "helpful" tips are provided by former salesman who couldn't sell to save their life.
Not by the men and women that have made auto sales a career, and are proud to do it. The best advice? Use common sense. It's that simple. Do salesmen also recommend to purchase vehicle reports from other alternatives like AC or VinAudit? I use monthly payments to my advantage. SO I took my business to the local Staples and bought a yellow notepad. I really enjoyed reading this book, and highly recommend to it anybody wanting to read more about the old and not so old car related stories. My only down point about the book is the small size of the black and white photos inside.
But this is only personal, and it would not even stop me, from buying the next book David plans to create based on the same concept. The fact that this book is made up of so many individual short stories makes it really fun to read. Even for those people who normally do not read all that much. David gave me the honor of writing the forward to this great book. That may make me a bit bias but I'd feel the same way about the book if I had no connection to it at all. Most of us car lovers can picture ourselves in each of the stories and we all knew someone like the characters in the book.
Pour a cup of coffee, pick up the book and re-live the past and plan for the future. I was a teenager in the 's when many of these collected stories take place. This great book brought back many good memories from those days. The amazing part is that David has collected car guy's stories from many parts of the country and most of them share a common theme. We were engaging in the same activities and didn't even know it!! Only Five stars? What gives? It should be at least ten, then I could click off I am a firm believer that every car has a story if you look for it.
This was an extremely tough book to put down, and once you finished it, you longed for more. Hopefully, David is already on top of the latter part. I also agree with a previous review "If cars could talk, this is the book" Looking forward to subsequent volumes, David. Keep them coming. Car guys, and gals, love to talk about their passion for cars and especially about the cars they love. When I created the podcast and website Cars Yeah this was one element of the show that I thought would make it interesting and attract an audience.
I created a place for inspiring automotive enthusiasts to go and listen to others who share their passions. Little did I know I would meet a true enthusiast and the publisher of two great books, David Dickinson. David was a guest on Cars Yeah and shared his passion for the automobile. Even better, David has a passion for the people in the car hobby. It is a passion that goes way back to his childhood and has been the spark in his life. Like me, David likes car stories. The authors are true die-hard automotive enthusiasts who share a little piece of their lives that is wrapped around their love for cars, bike and trucks.
Even the storytellers that were a few generations older than me touched on those timeless attributes to cars and lives that simply work, whether you are young or old. You can enjoy some time with this book and then pick it up later and enjoy some more. If you love cars every one of these tales will strike a chord, make you laugh, and remind you of some special moment you had with a car, a person, or while on a road trip.
And where else will you learn about the benefits of Super Weasel Piss on your frozen nuts? Thank you Steve Merryman. Cars Yeah is a podcast and website where you can listen to interviews with some of the most successful and interesting personalities in the automotive scene. I also use whiteout, carbon paper and rubber cement. I use postcards rather than email. I do not own an iPod, palm pilot, cell phone or whatzit. I do not read books on a Kindle fire or other electronic gadget, preferring the smell of paper and ink, and the heft of a real book.
Also has a bunch of small black and white photos. What car nut does not have a story to tell? I once road in a new Veloce and I can still remember the sound of the dual Webers sucking air. A few years ago he bought a rare Veloce Spider which he drove regularly until he had a traffic accident. The story covers decades, and details how such a car might be built. Which is what a good narrative should do - insist that the reader keep turning pages, pushing us on to the end.
I found the tail hugely satisfying. Many of us grew up in the 60's and 70's and can relate to a lot of these stories. A couple of stories had me laughing pretty damn hard. A few even almost brought me to tears. Anyone who has a love for cars will find this book very entertaining. I read your book Dave, last week, via my Kindle. I found it interesting and amusing as I had lived and suffered thru some of the same things that the authors in the book did. So, I now am reflecting on some of my miscues and transgressions, and laughing at my past.
Thanks Dave, good job. We all have a story to tell. And now we all have some amazing stories to read! This is the 1st in what I hope will be an ongoing series of tomes sharing with the world our love, our daily obsessions with what ultimately becomes an extension of oneself. Highly recommended reading for anyone! Young or old, car nut or novice. Lots of great stories, told from lots of different perspectives, and superbly edited by Mr.
If you love old cars, racing, hot rodding, or just plain foolishness, you really should read this compendium. I thoroughly enjoyed it! Reading the memories of old car nuts in story form is so entertaining and a fantastic way to share the high times with family and friends from the storytellers past. Reading the stories in this book is like pulling up a lawn chair in group of old car nuts at a car show and listening to their stories. These stories are written by the people who actually lived the experiences.
Thank you David for collecting them for us all. As a contributing writer to this project, you may feel I'm a bit prejudiced to give it a good review. But, watching David compile this book of stories showed me that I am just a small part of it. The book is full of wonderful stories from a talented group of fellow car nuts, that any car guy or girl would love to read! David did a great job rounding up these stories, and making them come to life! Two thumbs way up for this book! Can't wait to read the second I just finished reading this wonderful book and enjoyed every page!!
I'm married to an old car nut and I'm kind of a car nut myself, so I can relate to the trials, tribulations and all out joy all of the contributors felt during their quest for the perfect hotrod. I look forward to future volumes. Thank you for putting together a wonderful book. I am so glad to have this to pass on to my daughter so she can read more stories about our grandpa. I bought this book a week ago and just finished it. The Old Car Nut Book is a "must have" for any gearhead who learned to drive a car. The stories also capture the feeling of an era, mostly before Kennedy was assassinated and Viet Nam was brought to us in living color by the news broadcasters at the dinner table every night.
It's loud pipes, smoky tires, girlfriends and drive in movies, and the memory of your first love affair with a pile of rusty iron. What a fun book. Everyone has a car story. This book pulls a few of them out. It is one of those books you don't want to end. If I had my way, there would be at least 20 volumes. I never tire of hearing different stories from different people. As in my cars, I like variety and this book has it.
While I wait for volume 2, I think I will sit down, write, and submit my own story. That would be something to look forward to. Thank you Mr. Dickinson for putting this book together. I thoroughly enjoyed it. A fun read I shared it with my family and they all enjoyed it With no Internet, I had a chance to read your book.
Had me crying and laughing and reminiscing. Told Carole, this book is about me!! Loved it!! Great job keeping us Old Car Nut's stories alive!! Thanks, David!! Stories are well written and heart felt. Everyone had fun memories in putting together their stories. Short little stories that are fun to read. I think older car "nuts" will really enjoy it. I bought it as a gift but got the download for free on my kindle. I got caught up in it. I purchased two for Christmas gifts and the men in my life that received them have both made comments on how fun they are to read and all the memories that it brings back.
Looking forward to the sequel. Great book, full of stories that takes me back to my younger days back in the late 50's, 60's. Just a darn good read. Many smiles and chuckles while reading.
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